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Genocon Steam-Powered Music Mod

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 406 Location: Washington
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Re-reading my original post I'm reminded of how differently my great-aunt's memorial went last year. There was no pastor involved (my mom's family are Brethren), just mainly my grandpa, uncle and another man from the family church who lead the rather bare-bones affair. Just some scripture, sharing of memories and such. Overall, much more positive.
I wonder if it had more to do with the fact that the people leading the memorial were people who actually knew her personally. Every time I've been subjected to a proselytization-heavy funeral, the officiant was someone who only knew the deceased in passing. _________________
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BetteTheRed The Demi-Goddess of Compost

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 1565 Location: North
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Davelaw wrote: | i would rather not have a service at all
just throw me in a ditch somewhere and move on |
Aha, Dave, but funerals aren't for the dead. They're for the still-living. The dead don't care, and if they do, they can't do much about it.
We had a small gathering without clergy a couple of months after my Dad's death. I'll probably do something similarly for my Mom. Human remains in the form of ashes are quite another story in my family - we're perhaps a little too cavalier about them - half of Dad's are still on my bedside altar. In a nice box, mind you. _________________ “I don't consider myself a pessimist. I think of a pessimist as someone who is waiting for it to rain. And I feel soaked to the skin.” Leonard Cohen
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Davelaw Professional Contrarian

Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 3405 Location: TEXAS
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| BetteTheRed wrote: |
Aha, Dave, but funerals aren't for the dead. They're for the still-living. The dead don't care, and if they do, they can't do much about it.  |
and i don't want to be remembered in a ceremony; if i didn't do enough in this life to be remembered by-well then there is that ditch i mentioned |
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johnacancienne Fan of Free Speech

Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 78 Location: De Quincy, Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| BarthiShieldbasher wrote: | | Completely, and totally inappropriate. |
Not quite sure I follow. Which would be inappropriate?
| Quote: | | Of course, this means I will be doing the exact same thing if I die. |
If you happened to have stumbled upon that fountian of youth, share the secret location........ inquring minds want to know....
| Quote: | Now if I manage to mostly have Christians at my funeral, I'd probably want to go with some bizzare "pagan" burial rite like a Viking Funeral or left outside for the vultures as in Ancient Zoroastrianism.
Or hell, what ever I do, my own funeral will be irreverent. It's not like I'm going to be able to fool the gods by then. |
Actually, (and Dave can quote us the exact law on this, if you like), it won't be your own funeral. Someone will have to claim you, like some oversized parcel, and they make all of the decissions about your disposal. It's cool to set down on paper how you would like your memorial to be (or in my uncle's and Dave's case how you don't want it to be), but you no longer have the final word on the matter. And if you are unlucky enough to have someone in your family who happens to belong to one of those denominations that like to step into the goddes places and decide your fate, you could very well have mourners know the exact location of your spiritual body before the first shovel load of dirt hits your face.
I've made my preferences known now while I'm still here amonst the crowd, but there are no certian guarantees. _________________ John |
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johnacancienne Fan of Free Speech

Joined: 23 Feb 2007 Posts: 78 Location: De Quincy, Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:12 am Post subject: |
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Believe it or not, Dave, we all do enough to be thought about long after we slide across. Hell, even Billy the Kid is still remembered.
I had a rather excentric uncle who died several years ago, and during the service, he was spoken of in terms that even he would have to have laughed about. A cousin and I were selected as pall bearers, and during the eulogy, this cousin kept leaning forward and looking into the open coffin. I asked him what was he looking at..... he said he wanted to be sure he was at the right person's funeral. After the service, when family gathered together, a better memorial happened when we all sat together and remembered the man as he really was and laughed together over some of his antics. That service was far more appropriate.
I'm sure in your lifetime, you have at least made someone smile. I know at least once or twice I smiled at something you've said. _________________ John |
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ScaledMystic Zen Lizard

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 774 Location: Azeroth
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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I'd rather have a small gathering of friends and family sharing memories of me, it it comforts them, then some douchebag preacher I don't even know spouting off tired cliches. _________________ Chuck: I don't know anything about you since you were nine.
Ned: Well, it's pretty much I bake pies and wake the dead. I live a very sheltered life. |
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johnacancienne Fan of Free Speech

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm with you, Mystic. That's pretty much Pagan style.... just a gathering sharing memories. _________________ John |
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Summer Chief Cook and Bottle-Washer

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Davelaw wrote: | | BetteTheRed wrote: |
Aha, Dave, but funerals aren't for the dead. They're for the still-living. The dead don't care, and if they do, they can't do much about it.  |
and i don't want to be remembered in a ceremony; if i didn't do enough in this life to be remembered by-well then there is that ditch i mentioned |
It isn't really a matter of "remembering" so much as one of closure. Sort of a gathering of everyone to whom the deceased was important, to share the memories that each of them has, and together to bid farewell to the one who has gone on.
Of course, that can be accomplished sans ceremony, just by having a really good wake in the Irish style...  _________________ "Always know where your towel is." - Ford Prefect
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HortonThrockmorton I amaze myself sometimes...

Joined: 06 Jun 2007 Posts: 598 Location: Houston, TX
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I want my body donated to science. The family can have whatever kind of memorial service they want. If they want to have it done in accordance with my personal preferences when I was alive, it would have a lot of acappela singing and not very much preaching. |
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BarthiShieldbasher Wise One

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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| johnacancienne wrote: | | BarthiShieldbasher wrote: | | Completely, and totally inappropriate. |
Not quite sure I follow. Which would be inappropriate? |
Having a hellfire and brimstone service.
| Quote: | | If you happened to have stumbled upon that fountian of youth, share the secret location........ inquring minds want to know.... |
Sure, but right now the method I am looking at involves a butt load of money, relatives who live in poverty and expect rich uncle Brett to die any day now, and sacrificing a child or two (or whenever I need a transplant).
I'd say toss me in a ditch as well, but I don't fear death or hellfire. Instead I fear two things.
1) Being raised from the dead by some well meaning healer or deity.
2) Being raised from the dead by some mad scientist or malevolent demon.
Of course, coming back from the dead as a Death Knight, Vampire or Mummy wouldn't be so bad, but let's face it. I'm not that important and not worth any more effort than coming back as a zombie.
So in short, the important thing is light me on fire before throwing me into the ditch, and then scattering my ashes as far apart as possible. Remember, you'd have to kill me again as a zombie if you don't do this. _________________ "I'm kind of an expert on solving problems, sir. And well, this looks like it is clearly someone else's problem."
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ScaledMystic Zen Lizard

Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 774 Location: Azeroth
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| BetteTheRed wrote: |
We had a small gathering without clergy a couple of months after my Dad's death. I'll probably do something similarly for my Mom. Human remains in the form of ashes are quite another story in my family - we're perhaps a little too cavalier about them - half of Dad's are still on my bedside altar. In a nice box, mind you. |
I have an interesting little story. Visited my uncle sometime after my grandmother's passing, and on his office bookshelf there was a little metal can with my grandma's name on it, her ashes of course. Just sitting up there unobtrusively. I had a bit of a surprise when I realized what they were, but then I just shrugged and thought, okay, there's grandma's ashes, I guess he wants to keep them around, that's fine with me.
He's still got them, 21 years later. They are on the shelf in the sunroom now, with books and plants all around. I think grandma would like that, if she takes notice of that sort of thing in the afterlife. _________________ Chuck: I don't know anything about you since you were nine.
Ned: Well, it's pretty much I bake pies and wake the dead. I live a very sheltered life. |
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Whirlingal Lifetime Achievement in Forum Posting
Joined: 07 Mar 2007 Posts: 2156
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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Viking funeral?
Cool!
I'd show up for tbhat.
I'd even help build the boat that we'd then set afire and launch out to sea.
Totally cool.
That's REAL closure IMO. |
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